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possible dates & locations for AMF XIII (2009)
Submitted by guest on Wed, 2008-07-09 10:18
Now is the time to start thinking and talking about next year.
Suitable locations allow cars to park off dirt roads and campfires the
entire time of the festival. (No chance of "Extream" fire danger during
the festival.)
If July or August dates are selected, there must be a commitment from
multiple crews to research and scout locations that will be wet enough
in July or August to not have extreme fire danger nor the likelyhood
of heavy rain. Possible areas would be far to the north, such as Mt.
Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest and Olympic National Forest (both in
North Eastern Washington) or at uncomfortably high elevations that
never completely warm up or dry out.
AMF is often scheduled to start on the Monday of the segment containing
the full moon. Though a few times we have scheduled AMF to include the
new moon.
Here are the three summertime 11 day segments in 2009 that include the
full moon.
June 2009 (Full Moon 6/22) (Summer Solstice 2009-06-21 05:48 GMT)
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24
July 2009 (Full Moon 7/21)
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29
Aug 2009 (Full Moon 8/20) (overlaps with burningman)
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
18 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26
If you have time this month or next to scout North Western Washington,
please do so and report back here.
June 2009, AMF XIII
Yay to June dates!
This year was held in the beautiful and amazing Ochoco forest that would otherwise have been unacceptable as a location had it been mid July or August. As it was, we had snow melt running off in creeks for water, and lush grass and forests to camp and play in, we even got a bit of thunder and lightning and a small amount of rain (and I thought that was quite nice!)
If visiting this same location in mid July to August one might notice the creeks dry, the grasses dried and wilted, and the overall vulnerability to forest fires much greater.
Pros to June:
It's during summer solstice, much less worries of extreme fire dangers, allows the fest to possibly be held in a wider selection of more central NW locations (not just far north).
Fire is of the largest concern, as we can read in the news now, only weeks after this years festival there are numerous forest fires, some in very close proximity to locations that hosted previous years festivities during late July/August(ie: Shasta and S. Oregon)
I only remember one fest being hosted during the new Moon phase, and from my experience that year there seemed to be added difficulties in making the rounds through the forest for participants, and the lack of moonlight generally took away from the overall richness of the mood during the night time activities.
poll for dates of AMF 13
There is a poll up so y'all can indicate when you'd like AMF 13 to be. The poll is at www.spaz.org on the main page, on the right, halfway down. Go fucking represent. If you have a strong preference, post a comment there after you vote. That will help other people make an informed decision.
~greenjon~
majority say not-in-july
The poll indicates a majority don't want AMF in July, and that June is preferred over August. So the poll comfirms that June is a good time for AMF.
Thus it looks like AMF XIII will be in June 2009 during the summer solstice.
erroneous full-moon vs new-moon
In 2009 the full-moon is early in the months, not in the middle.
So the correct information for a mid-June AMF would be:
June 2009
9 days 6/16 - 6/25
Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa Su
16 17 18 19 20 21
23 24 25
NEW MOON on 6/22. (Thus head lamps will be needed.)
The solstice begins June 21, 2009 @ 05:55 GMT.
The west coast of the USA (including Cascadia) is 8
hours earlier than GMT. So at AMF the solstice will
start on June 20, 2009 @ 21:55 PDT.
Location still to be determined.
Hopefully southern or central Oregon.
Keep in mind that Olympia is
Keep in mind that Olympia is something like a 14 hour drive from, say, Oakland, where alot of long-time mutants hail from. North Eastern Washington is a far way away even from Eugene or Portland- Gas is expensive, and this may hinder the ability for the willing to scout the area, unless they're from Spokane, which isn't exactly somewhere where many mutants live.
Solstice is great, but the
Solstice is great, but the full moon is really nice. It'll get diggity-dark as fuck out in the woods on a new moon. The likleyhood of kids eatin' drugs and getting lost is higher.. not that its anyone's responsibility but their own.
I find that I draw alot of energy from the full moon when we're out there.
Full moon this summer is on the 7s, I think. June 7th is pretty damned early, I know. July 7th will be a bit more dry, but not Gifford Pinchot '06 status. Generator ban = disaster.
On the other hand, New moon = More visable stars.
Response?
the full moon i agree is
the full moon i agree is necessary, and economical.
the pacific northwest and the included mountain ranges are quite cold during the first half of the summer, as demonstrated by last summer's amf. i support lower longitudinal locations if the event happens earlier in the summer (even though yes i live in olympia and as of january 24th 2009 gas is a modestly affordable 2.05/gal, so the gas price weight should not have any influence for some until amf happens or until we want to calculate what gas prices and distances would be the most affordable for the most people possible, which i am all for)... anyway, i personally support later in the summer if it's going to be up north, earlier in the summer if it's further south.
the new moon experience
The last time we were close to Eugene was during a new moon. AMF turned out fine. Everyone made use of their night vision, or they used head-lamps, flashlights, lanterns, etc. The location selected required everyone set up ferly near each other, so there were no long walks to get to remote camps.
Regretably by July 7th many locations we have considered in the past have reached extreme fire danger. (No vehicles parked on/near trails, no generators, no campfires) One recent AMF had to pack up in a hurry a day or two early when the fire danger became extreme during the festival.
June dates
I agree that the full moon is a serious plus, regardless of location.
One thing to consider if June dates are looking likely would be school schedules. I know a lot of folks from my camp are college students and that could really affect our participation if it's smack dab in the middle of finals. My roommate's last day is June 19th... I'm not sure when other schools let out.
The full moons for 2009 are June 7th, July 7th, or August 6th, according to my calendar.
July!
July looks like it would be right between the Rainbow Gathering and Burning Man.
nevermind
nevermind
fuck i am lost...
okay sooo i am new at this and don't know how the scheduling goes. is it at random? will i not know till a couple of days or weeks before? i heard its 100 hundred or so days from now. which is July. or somethin.....till then i will just keep listening to the orchestra in my brain, TOODLES!
Yeah!!! 6/29 to 7/8; full moon 7/7; BBQ on 7/4
Monday, June 29th through Wednesday, July 8th, full moon is on July 7th,
BBQ Day is Saturday, July 4th.
These dates are for AMF 2009 are now firmly out.
Do not believe any rumors regarding cancellation.
Hopefully the location will be announced several days prior to June 29th.
Message from Rome: Italy
hey man,
i'm a ravers (a mutant) from europe, Rome (Italy ) and i'm fucking working like a slave to get money and be there in that really nice party in June 29th. I just need a smart guy who could help me to get there man, somebody who is in that kind of world from many years and who's able to tell where the hell is gonna be this party, you know. i'm not American man, i'm from Africa, and i live in italy, i dont really know how is america, i've been just in the north east, in New Hampshire, and in New York, i dont have anyone in the noth ovest who's able to help me to get to this fucking party man.
i need to know where the party is gonna be before than a certain day, or i need to know if somebody wants to give me a ride from Washington or Portland so i can arrive there and leave to the party with someone, or maybe you are able to give me a ride, if you tell me in which city do you live we can meet and go to the festival together. there are a lot of party in europe but i wanna go there, i think it's kinda a rainbow gathering and there will be people from all the States right?i play hardtek and frenchcore and tekno but i dont think i'm gonna bring my stuff with me, maybe i'll bring just my laptop and play with wirtual DJ.
i'm sorry man, i wrote a poem, huahaua
so, write back and tell me if you wanna be my angel
my name is salvo my email is antek@hotmail.it
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